tanithryudo: (Read)
I've been browsing a few history related videos on bilibili lately, and every time there's a video that makes comparisons to western history (eg. Ancient Rome, Greece, etc.) inevitably there will be comments that essentially parrot the western pseudohistory conspiracy theory (西方伪史论).

They claim something to the effect that those "golden eras" didn't exist, those civilizations/empires were made up, those famous people didn't exist or never wrote the great works they're known for...It's all invented out of whole cloth during the Renaissance to justify/glorify Europe's rise to power. Or even more hilarious: that the root of all western science was "stolen" from Ming Dynasty's 永乐大典, which those darn pirates like Newton, Copernicus, Da Vinci and ilk copied from, and then burnt the original in the heart of Beijing.

It all brought back bad memories from when I was reading historical based enovels in the 历史直播 genre I was into a while back. Every time some reference or comparison was made to western history, there would be commenters of the same stripe coming up and claiming Europe is all fake history. These were more egregious on qidian than on jjwtx (though possibly because qidian is more conducive to comments in general and has more history novels and audience than jj, which is more concentrated in the drama genres). It was annoying back then, almost to the same degree as those authors not bothering to research history and just writing around common cliches/inaccuracies.

I used to believe that these kind of people fall into the same category as flat-earthers, creationists, Korea universal origin claimers, and generally idiots that normal people should ignore for fear of dragging down one's own IQ. But, at the same time...amount of noise I see also makes me wonder if the belief is more pervasive in the population than the above-mentioned kooks. Or is it just a consequence of China's larger population resulting in a larger number of kooks just by the statistics?

Surely this isn't a view that normal people who've passed through the mandatory public education would hold. Right? Right?
tanithryudo: (Red Lady)
Reading a lot of historical stories can be painful. Because with other fiction you can just chalk things up to the author's POV doesn't agree with you and forget about it. But with history there often is stuff you see which is objectively *wrong*, but the wrongness get percolated through pop culture, and it just makes me lose faith in humanity. Ugh.

Anyway, this isn't gonna be a full list of all the fake-history/洗脑包 related to 唐太宗 on the internet/pop consciousness these days, because I am not that much into masochism. But just some stuff I come across way too often in the historical fics I've read recently...

cut for length )

There's probably more but these are all the ones to come to mind for now. Feels nice to get it all off my chest.

BTW, googling 网庙十哲 will finally yield some normal people. Though I am surprised/not surprised to see 秦始皇 also in some versions of this list.
tanithryudo: (Zen)
Years ago, I went through a phase where I was into Alt history stories as written by western authors. There was Eric Flint's 1932 series and the whole genre of ISOT that followed it. There was a forum I frequently which often drew up long alt-history timelines based on various changes to real life history.

Of course, most of the stories/threads I enjoyed were centered around US/Europe/Russia/etc. Anything related to China (and there really weren't much) I ignored because it was obvious they are writing China-in-name-only due to cultural limitations. And then I lost interest due to too much 'Murica F*ck Yeah.

Recently, there has been a surge of alt-history stories on Chinese sites. Specifically, the [历史直播] genre has been sweeping jjwxc by storm. They're everywhere. The basic idea of it is essentially, historical education videos (similar to what you would find on bilibili) are getting broadcasted to various imperial china settings as a heavenly viewscreen, and the story basically consists of the info in those broadcasts, and reaction shots of various historical figures, and the impacts on various points of history.

At first, there was a couple I enjoyed just for the content of the historical broadcasts. Some of it is informative, China having such a long and colorful history, and lots of parts are literally were life was stranger/grander than art could be.

Then slowly, after reading so...very...many...of these stories, the problem of quality again becomes apparent. A lot of these are so very cookie-cutter, and often filled with inaccurate history directly copied off some wiki. So very few authors bother to research into the actual history, and instead use pop history (or the stuff from TV dramas *rolleyes*).

Even moreso getting on my nerves now, are the depictions of historical figures, which you could swap them for some modern rando and it wouldn't be a jarring change. Almost nobody bothers to respect the fact these guys are charismatic leaders, genius strategists, or career politicians.

I will throw out some names here.

秦始皇 is like the new pop star of history or something. So many authors dream of "saving" Qin by making 刘邦 and his famed historical supporters into Qin employees. Of 墨家 magically being able to take 《天工开物》 or even more modern texts from the Qing/Republic eras, and then directly move into 科举制 and industrialization within a single generation. Oh, and the ever present meme of giving 秦始皇 a world map resulting in Qin conquering the world (or at least Europe) in order to "save" modern students from having to learn English. Just... eh. Great fantasy, I guess?

Poor 汉武帝 often gets relegated into comedic relief. These stories/sections are often focused on 卫青 & 霍去病 and their military exploits. The political and economic achievements of 汉武帝 are often glossed over in favor of focusing on his 后宫, the sad fate of his crown prince, and the (historically nonexistent) "罪己诏" that "proves" he regretted his policies earlier in his reign. He's not my favorite emperor, but he sure gets my sympathies after reading too many of these stories.

And then there's 唐太宗, who I will admit beforehand is my favorite ancient chinese historical figure, and whom I'd written a term paper on back at Cal. Also one of the most admired emperors even historically speaking, by the Song literati, the Ming founders, and even more recent figures (aka. "自古能君无出李世民之右者,其次则朱元璋耳"). But unfortunately, he's now a victim of pop culture, often cast as minor character or even antagonist of modern Tang related dramas, resulting in a lot of smearing via fake history and rabid drama fans.

Like, 隋炀帝 is now getting whitewashed as a 明君 who's "工在千秋"? WTF? Depopulating 3/4 of the population is "工在千秋" for works that he neither succeeded in nor invented?

Like, 李建成 is now getting whitewashed as an excellent "守城之君" who would've done perfectly well on the throne? WTF? We're just ignoring the awful decisions he is on record for supporting during 李渊's reign? And making up "feats" to support his excellency in governance? Feats such as 李世民 having to make up for logistics on his own while on campaign rather than getting support from home? [/sarcasm]

Like, even when forced to having to admit 李世民 is an excellent emperor in the history of chinese leaders (because reality, people), don't think I don't notice various authors still keep trying to downplay his achievements by pretty much glossing over pretty much all the nitty details of his policies as ruler, and (again) focusing on the drama of his succession issues and his 后宫. Oh, and the overly used cliche of him worrying about how the future historians/public will view his 玄武门之变.

And also I have noticed that these "broadcasts", often times with various emperors, the story will stop at the end of that emperor's life & reign. With 李世民 they will often go the extra step of continuing to talk about Tang up through 安史之乱 or even late Tang. Like, I have to ask, what does that have to do with 李世民? It's impossible for him to fix stuff that happens a century down the line. So it's just an excuse for him to spit blood/get mad at his descendants? (Not that IMO he'd be that affected by something so detached as an nth gen descendant, honestly.) Oh, and the not-so-subtle implication that the problems of Tang as a 300 year dynasty are his karmic desserts for implementing 玄武门之变.

Just.....ugh. Writing up a defense on behalf of 唐太宗 is gonna be whole 'nother essay by itself.

I'll end this one with a couple of rec links for the rare diamond among the rough. recs )
tanithryudo: (Music)
As someone who is a total fan of 唐太宗李世民 and wrote an essay on him in one of my humanities electives back at Cal, I am totally squeeing over the song Zhou Shen just performed on the theme of "18 year old historical figure" for the "National Treasures" (国家宝藏) series. The song's name is 《威凤吟》,based on 李世民's written work 《威凤赋》.

Full cut of his section in the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8fOqTgd62U

昭陵六骏:
特勒骠:应策腾空,承声半汉;天险摧敌,乘危济难。
青骓:足轻电影,神发天机,策兹飞练,定我戎衣。
什伐赤:瀍涧未静,斧钺申威,朱汗骋足,青旌凯归。
飒露紫:紫燕超跃,骨腾神骏,气詟三川,威凌八阵。
拳毛騧:月精按辔,天驷横行。孤矢载戢,氛埃廓清。
白蹄乌:倚天长剑,追风骏足;耸辔平陇,回鞍定蜀。

More analysis of the lyrics.

While reading up on these statuary, I found the ones in China are located at 西安碑林博物馆, and I have actually been to this place before... in 2010. (Wow, does time fly.) Unfortunately, I don't seem to have any photos of these stone steeds. Most of the pics I took back then seem to be focused on the calligraphy steeles.

Also, since I'm here, I might as well include its earlier "sister song" 《画绢》, which is singing about the Tang Dynasty at its zenith. They share the same composer, and were both written for CCTV edutainment programs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iolyl6Qj7mM

And if we want to make it a trio, then there's also the MMO game OST 《江湖缘起》 from before. The game takes place during the time period of 安史之乱, which marks the Tang Dynasty's decline.
tanithryudo: (Music)
Henan TV has turned out some really well done holiday festival broadcasts this year. Even more incredible, most of it has been with a shoestring budget. The recent Autumn Festival show is the first time they actually got a commercial sponsor! And the only "star" among their programs, Zhou Shen (of course).

【若思念便思念】old link new link

The song is about the Hakka minority whose roots come from Henan. Also found this thread on douban with screencaps of comments from people of Hakka descent from all over Asia. And on zhihu, here's some analysis of all the historical elements that went into the MV.

Full 中秋奇妙游 gala here. Also their previous shows in the series: 唐宫夜宴 (春晚), 元宵 easter egg, 端午奇妙游, 七夕奇妙游.
New playlist link

My favorite performance from the previous shows is of course the famous underwater dance from the 端午 festival.

《祈》old link new link
tanithryudo: (Default)
That time you try to figure out the math in Chinese fiction and realize that CN authors just as bad as western sci-fi/fantasy...

Read more... )


Also, just putting this here: 关羽身高九尺是多高? -- In other words, if the story is fantasy "ancient china", your stereotypical 七尺男儿 can range from anywhere between 5.3-7.2 ft.

Also, also, I hate it when even the author can't decide what color "青" is, and keeps using it differently even within the same story!
tanithryudo: (Default)
This is pretty neat. I didn't know ancient chinese had so many rolling R's.



Y'know...usually in time travel or crossover fics to settings in ancient eras never consider the dialect barrier. Of course it's so you don't want to bog down the plot. But still...

Other awesomeness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdO3IP0Pro8

二郎神

Apr. 21st, 2012 07:25 pm
tanithryudo: (Erlang Shen)
Crossposted with complete image set on Tumblr



My favorite deity in Chinese myth - Erlang Shen (二郎神).

Erlang is very often hailed nowadays as a god of war. But I’m not sure I agree with that role. The more traditional war gods in Chinese myth are actually Xing Tian (邢天) and Chi You (蚩尤), and I’d even argue that deities like Nezha (哪吒) is a more proper diety of war/battles than he is. Erlang is probably more accurately a martial god/sage (武圣). He’s less about the leading armies part of war and more about the kicking of butts. =P Hence, why he was called in to fight the Monkey King in “Journey to the West” when nobody else in the Heavens could match the monkey. But he was not often shown as a front line army/squad leader during the Shang-Zhou war in “Canonization of the Gods”.

More traditionally, he’s the patron deity of the Shu (蜀) region of China, which more or less encompasses the modern Sichuan region. (Kinda like how Athena was patron deity of Athens and so forth.) He’s also a god of the waterways (possibly civil engineering?), credited with helping the historical figure of Li Bing (李冰) build the Dujiangyan (都江堰) Irrigation System.

On a less serious vein, I also think he should be a deity of domestication (or Pokemon trainers XD). IIRC he’s the only major mythical figure who is associated with a varied retinue of pets. The most famous is the celestial hound Xiaotianquan (啸天犬), and he’s also known to have a hunting hawk and a silver horse. Fun fact - in “Canonization of the Gods”, all the other gods have a tendency to have one or a few major arcane artifacts which they would often use in during battle as their ‘ultimate attack’, in an RPG sense. Erlang, on the otherhand, never bothered with any artifacts. Instead, in the middle of battle, he would fling his dog out of his sleeve to maul his opponents face - to great effect. Now remember, in ancient China, the only pure breed of dogs is the ancestor of the modern Pekingese (and not the large bloodhound/german shepherd type dog that is depicted in more modern art). I have to admit, the mental image of a fluffy pekingese assassin puppy getting tossed out of a god’s sleeve made for a very hilarious mental image.
tanithryudo: (Dragon Character)
“天之道,损有余而补不足。人之道,则不然,损不足以奉有余。孰能有余以奉天下?唯有道者,” 《道德经》

Came across this in a fic. I understand only 7/10ths of the words here, much less the meaning. Halp? T_T
tanithryudo: (Read)
So I was skimming an alternate history site. Among all the masses of alternate Civil War, American Revolution, WWII, etc. I found an interesting fic (in timeline format) proposing an alternate timeline where China rises to become a world superpower: The Chinese Superpower

I thought it was kinda cool.

Also, depending on your tolerance for Ameriwank and ASCII misformating of special characters, there's also ISOT American 2002. ISOT, for those not familiar with the genre, stands for "Island in a Sea of Time", referring to when a city is copy pasted/dropped into an earlier (or alternate, as long as it's lower tech) time period and has to deal with it. Probably pioneered by Eric Flint's 1932 novel.
tanithryudo: (Yaoi)
So as a matter of curiosity I was googling for slash references in Chinese history, and I stumbled on this link.

乾隆x和珅
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Remembers 《宰相刘罗锅》
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*is ded*

More articles...
中国古代同性恋排行 - Lots of examples from Han; a bit from Song, Ming, Qing. Surprisingly little from Tang, despite the fact that it was a really sexually liberal dynasty...
历史上哪个朝代盛行男风
古代中国为什么要盛行“男风” - Article in last comment.
古代“男风” - Seems to mostly concentrate on pre-Tang
tanithryudo: (Foreign Relations)
link to cashew's reviews

Background:
赤壁 (Chi Bi) is supposed to be a remake of the famous battle in the middle of the Three Kingdoms period. I heard from somewhere that it's one of the most expensive movies produced in China to date - although, it's hard to tell where all that money went. The director claims that he was trying to move away from the ROTK standards and stereotypes that was set by the classic novel of the Ming Dynasty and the original TV series, and instead be more faithful to the historical documents on the era. Unfortunately, his attempts seem to have failed.

Overall Impression:
In my opinion, Chi Bi is the Chinese equivalent of Troy. A purposeful maligning of classical stories and history with modern "reinterpretations" and Hollywood flash-over-substance. And worse still, it's apparently only the first movie in a duology or even trilogy (cuz I certainly can't imagine them being able to finish the story in just 1 more movie given the pace the storyline is moving). The characters and characterizations have been modernized and "humanized" to their detriment, and have lost many of the qualities that made these characters into cultural heroes in the first place. In the end, the movie leaves the audience (as long as they are not ignorant of Chinese culture and history) with the impression that the Chinese filmmakers have sacrificed their own cultural heritage in order to make a film through the eyes of the modern western world on one of the most famous times of Chinese history. And that is just sad.

More wall of text )
tanithryudo: (Meiren: Praise)
一醉方休...

Album here

OK, so some of the pics and albums are a little racy, and some of the pics look like cosplay. But still, there are some pretty ones.

Also, there are other albums on the side, some of which contain powder art.

^^
tanithryudo: (Dragon Character)
漢武大帝 slash? & remixed

I dunno, it looks kind of blatant to me. :p

This one's a moving depiction of 丝绸之路. Not sure if the song's actually from the 漢武大帝 show or a fanvid. 张蹇 must have been one of 唐僧's prior incarnations. :p

For completeness' sake, the opening and ending themes, and miscellany.

贞观之治 opening, ending, fanvid?

Tang texts

Nov. 20th, 2005 07:11 pm
tanithryudo: (Dragon Character)
Been reading primary texts from Ancient China (about the Tang dynasty, though written later in Late Tang or Song). Man, it didn't pay to be in the government back then...

Wei Zheng: I suggest you kill your younger brother, like, now

Li Jianchen (the Heir): *wibbles* Um...

Li Shimin: OMG die! Emperor-ship, here I come!

Li Jianchen & Yuanji: *dies*

Wei Zheng: *in jail* I told 'em so. But do they listen? Noooo...

Li Shimin: *now Emperor Taizong* I like you. Wanna be in my inner-council-cabinet-of-advisors clique?

Wei Zheng: You suck.

Li Shimin: Right. You get to be my grand-vizier-type-dude.

Wei Zheng: ...




Fang Xuanling: Um, I'd like to retire.

Tang Taizong: No.

Fang Xuanling: But I'm over 50. I'm old! Why don't I get to retire?

Tang Taizong: Are you senile? Gone stupid in your old age?

Fang Xuanling: ...I would like to say yes but my scholarly pride prevents me. Dammit.

Tang Taizong: Then no. Back to work with you!

Fang Xuanling: I'm starting to regret proposing that downsizing early in your reign.

Tang Taizong: Oh and here's some nice nick-nacks and more money for your long and loyal service and all that.

Fang Xuanling: ...

Wei Zheng: *hacks up a lung* Give it up, man. He's never letting us out of his clutches the cages court.

Tang Taizong: Oh, Wei Zheng, there you are. Here's some more jobs and responsibilities and all that.

Wei Zheng: ...

Tang Taizong: You get a promotion to go with it?

Wei Zheng: There's gotta be a way to get this disease to kill me. *hackcough*




Right, totally should get back to work now.
tanithryudo: (Meiren: Praise)
( click here )

Humorous and entertaining tibits of Chinese history and inventions. Loved the bit on time pieces and the importance of precise timing to ancient Chinese astronomy/astrology...

Excerpt:

But also... he [the court astrologer] was supposed to know the horoscope of all the royal offspring at the exact moment of conception. Customarily, an astrologer perched on the roof during the emperor's connubial encounters.

Astrologer: *shouting from rooftop* NOW is aspicious, Majesty, NOW!!


Heheh. So very amusing. ^_^
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