This seems to imply Lan can shoot Their arrow/weapons into any time. Because god, I guess. So it is possible that Lan had a hand in helping the nameless hero 帝弓 (title) without "appearing" before the Xianzhou people to aid in their conversion to Their path. But that seems a bit petty for a god, so it's probably more "fate" and Lan, for some reason having claimed this fleet as Their followers, is aiding the past-Xianzhou in their survival efforts, thus forming the timey-wimey cycle.
The fandom recognizes that there would be a similarity, but it's also very evident that these are new individual characters on their own made for the HSR game.
I think there is some difference in how we are using the word "character". Both the fictional construct and the personality is called "character". For example, in the phrase "Donald Trump's character is a fascistic totalitarian", "character" is talking about "personality" or "personhood". In the phrase "there is a character called Himeko in HSR", "character" is referring to the "role" or "narrative construct".
So, when I'm talking about IC or OOC or "Dan Heng's character", that's referring to the personhood concept of character, aka "does this behavior make sense given the core personality of the fictional identity". Whereas how you're using character is referring to the narrative construct. So yes, in the sense that the narrative construct of the character Himeko of HSR is entwined with the narrative setting of HSR and thus is a different narrative construct than the character Himeko of Impact 3rd who is tied to the setting of Impact the 3rd, they are different characters.
But, in the concept of "personality", then Himeko's character across both works need to be the same in order to serve the function of luring gamers of Impact 3rd to try out HSR. If Himeko is OOC, then even though the two characters (narrative construct) share the same name, it's clear they don't have the same character (personhood).
Does that clarify our disagreement?
I'm getting the impression you think I automatically hate anything that's AU from a strict adherence to canon
I have been interpreting what you're saying as "AUs make a character OOC because AUs change the setting and a character cannot be separated from the setting, which is why I don't like them". And yes, AUs have a very wide range of "deviating from canon", but I'm focusing specifically on the AU spectrum that involves "setting change" (and I believe "major plot twist" constitutes a "change in setting", since the purpose of a plot twist is to re-contextualize the previous assumptions about the setting), since that is what you seem to be objecting to based on the comment about the metaphysics of HSR being part of the core reason you're reading fic.
And really, this isn't something restricted to AUs.
Fair. I was interpreting it as you saying it's an AU thing in the previous back-and-forth. I have been corrected.
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Date: 2024-09-22 02:35 am (UTC)This seems to imply Lan can shoot Their arrow/weapons into any time. Because god, I guess. So it is possible that Lan had a hand in helping the nameless hero 帝弓 (title) without "appearing" before the Xianzhou people to aid in their conversion to Their path. But that seems a bit petty for a god, so it's probably more "fate" and Lan, for some reason having claimed this fleet as Their followers, is aiding the past-Xianzhou in their survival efforts, thus forming the timey-wimey cycle.
I think there is some difference in how we are using the word "character". Both the fictional construct and the personality is called "character". For example, in the phrase "Donald Trump's character is a fascistic totalitarian", "character" is talking about "personality" or "personhood". In the phrase "there is a character called Himeko in HSR", "character" is referring to the "role" or "narrative construct".
So, when I'm talking about IC or OOC or "Dan Heng's character", that's referring to the personhood concept of character, aka "does this behavior make sense given the core personality of the fictional identity". Whereas how you're using character is referring to the narrative construct. So yes, in the sense that the narrative construct of the character Himeko of HSR is entwined with the narrative setting of HSR and thus is a different narrative construct than the character Himeko of Impact 3rd who is tied to the setting of Impact the 3rd, they are different characters.
But, in the concept of "personality", then Himeko's character across both works need to be the same in order to serve the function of luring gamers of Impact 3rd to try out HSR. If Himeko is OOC, then even though the two characters (narrative construct) share the same name, it's clear they don't have the same character (personhood).
Does that clarify our disagreement?
I have been interpreting what you're saying as "AUs make a character OOC because AUs change the setting and a character cannot be separated from the setting, which is why I don't like them". And yes, AUs have a very wide range of "deviating from canon", but I'm focusing specifically on the AU spectrum that involves "setting change" (and I believe "major plot twist" constitutes a "change in setting", since the purpose of a plot twist is to re-contextualize the previous assumptions about the setting), since that is what you seem to be objecting to based on the comment about the metaphysics of HSR being part of the core reason you're reading fic.
Fair. I was interpreting it as you saying it's an AU thing in the previous back-and-forth. I have been corrected.